It’s open season on regulatory restructuring: Bank regulators are gathering in the House Financial Services Committee this morning to share their views on the Obama administration’s plan to overhaul the financial system. BankThink is brining you live blogging coverage of the hearing, which will consist of two panels of witnesses. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner will take the stage first, alone. He’ll be followed by Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke, FDIC Chairman Sheila Bair; Comptroller of the Currency John Dugan, OTS Director John Bowman, and Joseph Smith, Jr., the North Carolina state banking commissioner, testifying together. Stay tuned.
10:36am: Rep. Paul Kanjorski, D-Pa., has begun his opening statement. As he called the hearing into session, House Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank, D-Mass., said hearings on consumer protection would take place in September.
Kanjorski, with first colorful image of the day: "By sprinkling their magic dust on toxic assets, ratings agencies turned horse manure into fools' gold."
10:39am: Rep. Jeb Hensarling, R-Tx., has come out swinging in his opening statement, saying that the right regulatory restructuring plan can't come out of the wrong explanation for the cause of the financial crisis. It wasn't deregulation, he says, but "dumb regulation." He's also accusing the Obama adminsitration of "sweeping Fannie [Mae] and Freddie [Mac] under the rug." As for consumer protection, he calls the proposed new regulator one of the greatest assaults on consumer rights I have witnessed."
Hensarling: I prefer Rep. Spencer Bachus's plan, which adds to the bankruptcy code to allow for the resolution of large, systemically important institutions.
10:42am: Frank calls the charge "that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are being ignored" a "startling misconception." They were being ignored before the crisis, he says, and dives into his well-worn recitation of the history of failed government sponsored enterprise reform.
10:44am: Republicans are on a new, strong message this morning, pushing their alternative to the administration's reg restructuring proposals. They've got their own proposals for consumer protection: a department that focuses on disclosures and fraud penalties.
10:46am: Rep. Melvin Watt, D-N.C.: A compromise is when nobody is happy. "I haven't heard anybody who is completely satisfied with what has been proposed. That probably suggests that we have hit the right balance if we do what the administration has proposed."
Watt says the industry "grossly overstated" the potential problems with a consumer protection agency, and he urges everyone to "come to the table" and try to work out the problems they have with the proposal.
10:49am: Rep. Edward Royce, R-Calif., has gone back to disputing the history of the housing bubble. Frank cuts him off quickly.
10:51am: Rep. Gary Miller, R-Calif., is calling for a change in the way accounting standards are set.
10:52am: Rep. Scott Garrett, R-N.J., points out that the industry isn't the only contingent objecting the the consumer protection regulator.
10:53am: Geithner has begun his opening statement. Apparently the Committee plans to recess for a vote after Geithner finishes.
Geithner: "The President decided we needed to move quickly" on regulatory restructuring before the memory of the financial crisis begins to fade.
He has zeroed in on the conusmer protection regulator issue. The old system failed, he says, because "all of the federal financial services regulators have higher priorities than consumer protection."
10:56am: Geithner is saying the "only viable solution" for consumer protection is to house oversight and regulation in "a single entity."
If consumer protection responsibilities are divided, regulatory arbitrage could continue, Geithner says.
10:59am: Geithner: "Resolution authority is essential."
11:01am: Geithner is on to the Federal Reserve now; he's insisting that the proposal both giveth and taketh away Fed power.
11:03am: Committee hastily recesses. Stay tuned.
11:41am: Hearing has reconvened. Frank has declared that he will continue to review the history of failed GSE reform before beginning to question Geithner.
11:44am: "I was struck to note that there's been a lot of debate about whether to have a consumer protection agency and who should be the systemic risk regulator," Frank says, addressing Geithner. "Your critics seem to be aligned with the socialist governemnt in London while the conservatives over there are on the opposite side...When you cross the Atlantic I guess things get reversed."
Frank continues by dismissing the Republican claim that a consumer protection regulator is a bad idea because all of the banking regulators are against it. He calls the bank regulators' consumer protection powers "pristine" because "they have never been used."
11:47am: Rep. Spencer Bachus, R-Ala., has begun his questioning by saying he hopes Geithner can come back another time and talk about reg restructuring. But right now he's asking about Fannie Mae.
He's talking about Fannie's losses. "The biggest loss of all, $85 billion that we extended to Freddie and Fannie. I see no prospect on getting that back," Bachus says.
He has continued by listing big bailouts: the auto industry, Bear Stearns, AIG. He wants Geithner to go through the bailout numbers and describe the real losses.
Geithner: Some areas of the system are very damaged and others aren't. But we can't, this month or even this year, give you a detailed estimate for the losses we'll really see on these. "Some of these programs are making money."
11:52am: Kanjorski's got the floor now. "We're sort of wearing that seat out with your presence, Mr. Secretary," he tells Geithner. Finally, someone is talking about the reg restructuring proposal. Kanjorski isn't happy with the proposal to regulate ratings agencies. He thinks the user pay model should be scrapped; Geithner responds, "I don't see a viable alternative."
Kanjorski: How soon should we enact these reforms?
Geithner: They need to be done as a package together. "I think it's very important we move this year." There is a lot of resistance and opposition and if we wait it will get harder and hard to find consensus.
11:54am: Kanjorski says House FS Committee is working on an insurance bill and wants to know whether the same crisis could occur again without a federal insurance regulator.
Geithner: We can't afford to allow AIG-like behavior to take place again, that's true. Federal oversight is important.
11:56am: Hensarling is up now. He's joking that if he had more than five minutes he and Geithner could actually talk about things they agree on. Geithner quips: "I could use my time to do that."
But Hensarling has moved on. He's back on the GSEs, talking about their contribution to the housing crisis. Now, the GSEs' share of the origination market has increased. This is a central issue of this crisis, and you're not focusing on it, he tells Geithner. There's nothing about the GSEs in this regulatory restructuring proposal.
Geithner: "Congress, in its wisdom, passed legislation that for the first time provided modern authority" over the GSEs back in 2008. And it's true, we still have to think about their future.
"We're rarely accused of insufficient ambition," Geithner presses. He's saying GSE reform isn't the most important thing now.
"Let's speak about another ambition, then, of the administration," Hensarling fires back. Now he's on to the consumer protection regulator. He wants to know what other products, besides subprime mortgages, contributed to the financial crisis.
Geithner: There were a lot of products in mortgages and credit cards that were bad.
12:00pm: Geithner makes an important counterpoint to the claim that the consumer protection agency would impose new restrictions on consumer freedom. The regulatory powers it would hold already exist; they're jstu going to be consolidated.
12:04pm: Rep. Carolyn Maloney, D-N.Y. started out by asking about commercial real estate loan problems. Now she's back on the consumer protection agency. She says she supports both the new consumer protection agency and the regulators' claims that consumer protection duties should remain with them. That system would be a "check and balance," she says.
Geithner: We can't have a new consumer protection agency with no enforcement authority. And if you leave that enforcement authority with the existing regulators, it will not fix the problem that led to the financial crisis: nobody was paying attention.
Maloney: "I would move the enforcement to the protection agency" but leave rule-writing with the bank regulators "as a back-up."
12:08pm: Rep. Randy Neugebauer, R-Tx., is asking Geithner why Bernanke disagrees with his claim that consumer protection should be taken away from the Fed and given to a new regulator.
Geithner replies that the regulators are just doing their job by protesting the loss of their consumer protection authorities.
12:09pm: Neugebauer: But if you're going to have a separate agency, won't that just be more expensive and cumbersome?
Geithner: There are experts scattered across the bank regulatory landscape right now; we want to consolidate them because "overall, supervision was inadequate." I can't say how much that would cost, but the resources are already there.
Neugebauer: But isn't this government trying to limit the choices of the people?
Geithner: Look, I hate limiting choice too. But that's not what proposing. We just think "there should be a set of standardized, simple-to-understand disclosured products available to consumers." They can choose to use them or not.
12:12pm: Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Calif., is praising the consumer protection agency proposal.
She's got "speaking engagements in New Jersey, Tennessee, and other places" to promote the consumer protection agency.
But now let's focus, she says, on job creation. Unemployment among minorities is high. "I'm very interested in doing everything I can do to help create jobs." I want minorities to participate in programs the Treasury has developed, such as the Public-Private Investnemtn Partnership.
Look at Magic Johnson, for example, and what he's been able to do, showing people that you can go into minority communities, you can help generate business, and you can create jobs.
12:17pm: Waters: Are you going to have a new PPIP announcement soon?
Geithner: We're not fully operational yet. Our firms are still trying to raise capital for the program.
12:18pm: Rep. Shelley Moore Capito, R-W.V., says community bankers are worried they won't have the flexibility to offer customized consumer products if a consumer regulator starts to control the products available.
Geithner: "I don't think there's any credible risk" of that happening.
12:22pm: Geithner is telling Capito that community banks will actually benefit from a consumer products regulator because it will offer a "level playing field" with non-bank lenders. There won't be the same pressure to compete with people who are evading regulations altogether.
12:23pm: Watt reiterates his support for the consumer protection agency. "I'm not closing my mind to concerns that are raised," he adds. "Three things I want to ask you about which I think have some merit...The examination authority...Will you work with me and us...to make sure that the consumer protection examinations are coordinated with the prudential examinations so that we don't end up with duplicative examinations in there?"
Geithner: "We're proposing to put the prudential supervisor on the board of--"
Watt: "That's the second point here, the resolution of potential conflicts, which I have asked many people to tell me what those conflicts are" and I haven't gotten any good answers, "Will you work with me to make sure that when there is some kind of conflict there is an appeal or review mechanism, I thought it was going to be in the Financial Services Oversight Council" but "I don't see it particularly addressed there."
Geithner: We will work with you on that. We've proposed to deal with that on two levels: The FS Oversight Council and the consumer products regulator's board.
Watt: "Will you work with me to make sure that there's no presumption of liability for products that are issued that are not the so-called 'plain vanilla' products?" People shouldn't think they are going to get sued for offering non plain-vanilla products simply because they are not considered plain vanilla.
Geithner: Yes.
12:28pm: Royce has begun his questioning by taking up the GSE history again. It's as if half of the Committee members are in a different hearing and Geithner isn't sitting there.
12:31pm: Royce has moved on, finally. "There are several problems with the current, Balkanized state regulatory system," he's saying. "It appears we may be taking a step back in the banking sector" as we approach regulatory restructuring because it provides the ability for state regulations to go beyond the federally established ones. Won't this make banking go the way of insurance?
Geithner: "We thought about it alot; what we laid out was our best judgment." We didn't want to deprive states of the ability to go beyond that.
Actually, did Geithner just give in a little on the preemption issue? His response to Royce's concern was kind of lame. He emphasized that the administration had spent a lot of time on the consumer protection proposal and that he would be happy to keep working on the issue to "find the right balance."
12:34pm: Now Frank has interjected: They're going to end Geithner's panel soon and bring in the other regulators. They'll have Geithner back in September.
12:35pm: Rep. Al Green, D-Tx., says community bankers are worrying about paying "for the sins of others." They don't want to have to pay more in insurance premiums. Can you offer them some comfort? He asks Geithner.
"I think they have a point," Geithner replies. "The basic costs" must be shared more equitably, he says.
12:39pm: Garrett tried to make a joke but nobody got it. Now he's asking Geithner to explain his comments about bank regulators' defense of their consumer protection powers. "It really puts us in a hard situation when agencies come forward...doing it not for the good of the country or the economy but because it's their perogative..." Geithner says it's a judgment call. "Consider the source?" Garrett offers. "Exactly," says Geithner.
12:42pm: Garrett is worried about consumers not being able to access more customized products. Geithner is insisting that institutions won't be restricted from offering a range of products.
Now he's asking about systemic resolution authority. "Under the proposal...it seems as though you're beginning to identify them with a set of parameters." Also, if you just assess systemically important companies to pay for the resolution power, won't that be dangerous?
Geithner: The largest institutions need to have more conservative restraints on capital requirements and leverage. To do that, you have to be able to apply differentially higher charges...but also we "deeply understand the moral hazard risk."
12:45pm: Frank cuts Geithner off mid-sentence. Now Rep. David Scott, D-Ga., is asking about the fate of small, minority owned and women-owned businesses in regulatory restructuring. "If we don't make a special effort to make sure they have the opportunity to compete, and if it doesn't come from the top, it just doesn't get done."
Scott has moved on: "Some in the banking industry, it seems to me, are reverting back to some of the very practices that got us into this mess." The executive compensation packages and bonuses are way up again.
Geithner: "We do not believe we can go back" to the way executive compensation used to be. That's why we have a new exec comp reform proposal. But it also has to be in the context of broader regulatory reform.
12:48pm: Scott now says banks aren't lending and wants to know how Geithner can make them do that.
Geithner: Banks need access to capital themselves. We also have to make sure the broader credit markets are working. "I do think its important, given what the cumulative judgments of our banks across the country did to our economy" that banks try to win back popular confidence.
12:50pm: Rep. Michasel Castle, R-Del., is asking about regulatory arbitrage.
Geithner explains that Countrywide and Washington Mutual changed their charters from bank charters to thrift charters to seek lower standards of enforcement. "That's one example," but there were others.
Castle: "Should we be looking at legislation to change that?"
Geithner: Um, yes. That's what our regulatory restructuring proposal is. Ending the thrift charter is a good idea.
Castle: "Is it your view that every new product that a bank would issue would have to go through an approval process?"
Geithner: "Absolutely not...the core of our proposal" is that broad standards and practices should be adopted.
12:55pm: Castle: Existing regulators aren't happy with the change. And they're starting to do a better job than they were in the past.
12:56pm: Frank dismisses Geithner and calls the other witnesses--Bernanke, Bair, Dugan, Bowman and Smith--to the table. We're going to jump to a new window for the second half of the hearing. Follow along from the BankThink home page!